thanks aiden have spoken to gord about it threw pm mate the dog was going to be for raff and it will be his first dog so i can understand were he is comeing from mate .aiden gord is a mate of mine to i have hunted with him and mig and jim with my dogs to he did like my dogs and got obbie off me and in this case i would mutch rather see his dogs go close to him so when he decides to give it a go again he can have it back again . i have a dog organised for raff off anouther reputable member off this site in witch i will help him take care of and will take with me to north qld when i get up there for my trip this year . thank you though aiden raffs new dog when we get it will be a ripper when im threw with it this year is my year ive been saveing up to realy do some hunting for. cheers robbie caruso